Introduction

Carrie Newhouse: What if management is dead and people development is the new way forward? She talks with Gretchen Rubin about why rebels plant churches, how to increase your energy and be happier. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Leader and Ballet. You can grab a spot on the presale email list and get exclusive updates about Matt Tressider and Chris Hee Slips' brand new book,. They are the co-founders at Leader.com. Just text C A R E Y to 55123.