Pyramid is part of a project, of a larger project called the pylons project. The pyramid web framework has in it the sort of legacy old pylons web framework and then a bunch of other, mess of other soft ware that a has same authors. When you install pyramid, you have to make the choice and yourself all right? Sil when i created a sight, maybe through one of the scaffolding things in there, it would have, oh, yes, as as a dependency. But the core, if i say pip and sal pyramid, i don't get a templedin a framework, necessarily.