i wonder if in some way, that is sort of the surface level manifestation of a desire for permanence, a desire to be immortal. And we get smacked down pretty quickly whenn wel go too far. With of us speaking from personal experience, i'm sure oliver li the control thing nowh, i mean, it is such a sustained impulse. That's sing way of looking at it, because it really, it honors and exalts the process of seeing, process of starting from a place of openness and emptiness.

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