i think software has been te trojan horse to change a lot of this thinking around the industrial era. Ondo, steve, thank you so much for joining us a day. Since we talked about e t ps and public stock trading, let's remind everyone that all investments are risky. Nothing in this episode should be construed as an endorsement of any specific product or service.

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