For today's essential Heretics 101 feature, Kelli and Nolan talk to Ethena CPO Melanie Naranjo, challenging empathy-driven management, exposes toxic executive dynamics, and advocates for logic over emotion in workplace leadership.
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KEEP UP WITH MELANIE, NOLAN + KELLI ON LINKEDIN
Melanie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/melanie-naranjo
Nolan: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nolan-church/
Kelli: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kellidragovich/
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Ethena: https://www.goethena.com/
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:44) CEO-CHRO Partnership Transformation
(02:23) The State of HR Leadership
(04:08) The HR Crisis Revealed
(05:20) The Root Cause Analysis
(06:58) Sponsors: Planful | Metaview
(10:00) The Anti-Empathy Argument
(12:45) HR Community Dysfunction
(14:21) The Gender Dynamics Truth
(15:28) Executive Team Toxicity Exposed
(17:13) The Politics Behind Dysfunction
(19:39) Beyond Meritocracy
(21:00) The Three Questions Framework
(21:54) The Anti-PIP Philosophy
(24:00) Direct Feedback That Works
(24:42) Wrap
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