I saw him not so long ago in London, bizarrely in a restaurant. I was totally interrupted it and gave him a big hug. And yeah, I always hold that man the highest regard. It must be so nice to bump into him and be able to kind of reminisce. Oh, it's absolutely brilliant. You know, and he actually sits me. He sits me. There was one regret I had with you. Simon's late final, obviously. The world club, club championships in Japan. He said, I should have played you in final. Yeah, 100% and the manager as well,. Refinitas, what was he like to work with?