On the Surface, Above the Surface and Beyond the Surface

Shan: In the last episode, we started talking about how we came to realize that there's this foundational level of story that we need to talk about. And you introduce the on the surface, above the surface and beyond the surface. So i just want to dig a little bit into the on surface. Well, on the surface is the literal kinetic motion of what your audience is projecting into the sort of cinema of their own mind.