I've always been fascinated by the Romans. I think that that speaks to something that is kind of inherent. There is a kind of admiration and a dread and a kind of an appeal in power. But it's hard for us to acknowledge that partly because we are so influenced by the weathering effect of centuries and millennia of Jewish and Christian thinking. And so the fear, I think, I think we've internalized the fear of identifying with the Romans is that we risk becoming fascist by doing that.