There's three stages to these first stages. You're symbolically separated from your previous way of life Second stage you're kind of in this transitional period where you're neither one thing or the other Third stage you reenter society as a new person And I think that's a Very simple framework obviously for this But I think this is a really cool model and it's not something that just Organically plays out but can help people create deeper connections with the group provide identity and the support they're after In a church context.