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Episode 227 - Matthew Cole

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What's the Relationship Between the Um and the Um?

"I don't begrudge anyone at all. I just think if you're going to tell a story, it should be true," he says. "The first chapter of my book is almost always about how it's not about me... Irony is dead", the former cop adds. The author also discusses his relationship with then-candidate Barack Obama.

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