I think you know one of the things about society and institutions is that ideally structures are put in place to help protect us from ourselves. And if anything something like a pandemic we went in the opposite direction of where we should have gone. We should have the public I'm writing a book about the pandemic specifically about American schools and what happened with them during the pandemic but because that's part of the larger thing I spend a lot of time looking at in sort of like a more panoramic view.

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