There's some people who go on stage and revere innovation sort of in the abstract, right? Like JP Morgan had a big spot. But there's other people who talk about the banks as the customer. From my point of view, not something I want to get out of bed every day to actually do, but important and true. That's really like the person you have to care about. The banks are there to like, I didn't appreciate the extent to which banks are just looking at the assemblage of vendors.

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