The Power of Hope

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"I love this idea that we're on this journey. And I mean, you could get into a car wreck or a plane crash and it fundamentally affect how the kind of person you're going to be afterward," she says. "You maybe you will add something that will change their minds."

In this episode we sit down with Megan Phelps-Roper, the author of Unfollow, a memoir of her time in Westboro Baptist Church, and an exploration what it took to convince her to leave. I interviewed Megan for my upcoming book, How Minds Change, and in this interview you will learn all about assimilation and accommodation, cult deprogrammers, and the steps Megan says one must take if they want to change someone's mind.

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