Sustainability by 2030: planetary or internal sustainability? What scale are they looking at? I think for the sustainable development goals, it's planetary sustainability. How do you actually create that bridge into the systems that we're building? Right. We've been playing with these different memes of how do you embed imagination. It's not enough just to imagine and dream the future. You also have to be equipped with the tools to build new systems to save our planet. That's a really key part. And what about the inner sustainability goals? The conflict. So it's really... Yes, it definitely is.

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