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Introduction
Kate Rayworth is an academic at Oxford and at Amsterdam University. She previously worked in overseas development for the United Nations Development Program as a senior researcher at Oxfam. We'll get on to donut economics and what it is and what it, what you mean by it. But first of all, I'd love to know your sense of how you see the debate about and around and in economics that happens in the political arena,. starting maybe with the UK, but possibly more generally.