I think we undervalue our own presence often and our attention towards something. One of the things that I aim to achieve with this podcast is to show people that your presence alone is a gift. And so with the guest it's normally I'm directing the attention towards the guest for an hour or more. And really giving them the gift of presence. I do that with myself as well where I give myself the gift of looking at myself for an hour every day. But just we don't think about it because our attention is so scattered in the modern world.

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