You know, those aren't the fun degeny stories, but that's, I think, you know, I think it's important to note that poker players actually are on top of this, and there are a lot of poker players giving millions to charity and matching charitable donations.

Thanks,

you guys. It was a delight to talk

to you.

Thank you. Thank

you. So just before we end the show here, I want to just mention one last thing. There was a moment in that last conversation when Nate was talking about the reasons he hasn't given money. You know, how giving money to charity is tied up with all these other household financial planning decisions, etc., etc. And I thought back to that thing that Laurie Santos said at the beginning of the show about friction. You know, how friction and not knowing how to give or who to give to winds up being this huge barrier. And I thought about how Ellie Hassenfeld has spent all this time trying to find charities that are very clearly doing good that you can just give money to and feel good about. So to close out the show today and to fight against friction in my own life, I'm going to go right now to that website that Lori was talking about, givingmultiplier.org/happinesslab. And I'm going to give 50 bucks. Is it the perfect amount of money? I don't know. I'm just going to do it right now. Thanks very much to Nate Silver and Maria Konnikova, the hosts of Risky Business, Ellie Hassenfeld of GiveWell, and to Laurie Santos, the host of The Happiness Lab, who got me thinking about Giving Tuesday in the first place. Today's show was produced by Lucy Sullivan and Isabel Carter, edited by Sarah Nix, and engineered by Jake Gorski. Special thanks to Ryan Dilley, Farrah Degrunge, and Owen Miller. I'm Jacob Goldstein, and I host the Pushkin Show, What's Your Problem? Thanks for listening.

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