The Downward Spirale of Legitimacy

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Populaus movements often come in pretending to be democratic and having some very real popular legitimacy at first. But then as people start to recognize that they might be undermining democratic institutions, or simply mismanage the economy, they quickly face choice between wretcheting up oppression and giving up some of their power. And so i think that there is the ifacation of what happens, either the democratic forces manage to fight back and win, or sooner or later, this populise movement need to concentrate more power in beown hands.

Moisés Naím is a Distinguished Fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace and a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. He has served as Minister of Trade and Industry for Venezuela, Executive Director of the World Bank, and editor-in-chief of Foreign Policy magazine. His latest book is The Revenge of Power.

In this week’s conversation, Moisés Naím and Yascha Mounk discuss how authoritarian powers have banded together to respond to the challenges of technology and decentralization, the proliferation of the “Three P’s” (polarization, populism, and post-truth), and the challenges facing democracies in the 21st century.

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