How do you reconcile then like with Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant to people who Tim Grover highlights? Yeah. I think it's very different in sports to actual business. You got to remember they're not the business guys in that sport. And you can take nuggets from that and like use it within yourself but it's a different game playing building business. Do you think it's because in sports there's a winner and a loser and in business there's other fashion companies that could also win as well with you? definitely.

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