Frederick: I think what people tend to forget is that we're talking about tours and tours have a purpose they are no like their reason within themselves. For a business i think it's very important to before you even go into what you should do or how you should like set up your stack  to define some values how you want to run your business. Michael: Whatever tool you choose needs to be compatible with that approach and with that mindset because otherwise every silo is going to have their one or three tools that they're going to use. Frederick: We need to have processes and tools and work close and mindset that actually allows for that sounds like a place i'd want to work