I've been in the industry at large for 12 years. There's always a firm that people point to and say, hey, this is crazy, right? And so i think there's a good need for this product of some type in the market. But they were playing fast with a diligence in prices and in all those things. They're goin to get a little bit more forgiveness then some of these groups over the course of the last two years"

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