I mean, you can go for longer periods of time and you have a few more luxuries. So.

Dude, I got solar panels. I got, you know, a refrigerator, freezer. Yeah. You know, two burner stove. Yeah. Yeah. One more day. One more day. That's luxury right there. Jack, thank you for doing the podcast. I hope some people buy your book. Where do they, where can they get it? I just have the PDF. Is it? Yeah, it's a paper book or there's a

paper book. There's paper book. There'll be a hardcover audio book, an e-book, all available on Amazon and all major online videos. Oh, that's awesome. So

yeah,

I could send you the link for that if you want. And yeah, it'll be available starting April 9th. So just about a week from now, we're going on the third. Right. I'm going

to, I'll hold this then. I won't, I won't post it until after the night. So people will be able to get it. So it's available on Amazon. Do you read the audio book or how do you work? Yeah. Great. That's an experience, isn't it? I did. It took a lot of rereads. I was a learning experience for sure. Do you have audio books for yours? I did the Civilized to Death. I did. Okay. I wanted to do sex with Don, but they wouldn't let me. Really? Yeah, which bummed me out. Yeah. Somebody else is reading it? Or you don't have one in general? No, no. Someone else reads it. A couple of actors, you know, professionals. Right. Basically, you know, it was my first book. And so the publisher just sort of patted me on the head and was like, no, no, we know what we're doing. Right. Thanks anyway. And, and it's like, come on. So they hired these actors and, and, and they just, I think they fucked it up. But, yeah, and a lot of people have said to me, what's up with the audio book. But it's sold a lot of copies over the years. And so I cash the checks and try to keep my mouth shut. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's tough. I mean, you know, especially if it's your book and somebody else is placing their emphasis and

their thoughts on it. I'm sensitive to my own like tendency to be discontented with that. But the thing about sex, Adonis, there's a lot of humor in it. Right. And these, these guys didn't get the humor. I'm just serious flat lined it throughout. Yeah. They flat lined it. And it's like, Jesus, you're missing the fucking jokes here, people. Right. Right. You know, I thought you were pros. Yeah. Yeah. But anyway, so that's sold, you know, well enough that by the time the second book came out, I was like, yeah, I'm going to do the audio and they were like, good, fine. That's, you know, I mean, please. Yeah. Unless you have a weird voice or you can't read or, you know, whatever. I think the author should always do it. Right.

I mean, yeah, it's their book and most people are accustomed to reading out loud or know how to read if you're, if you're writing a book anyways. So, you know, you might just have to make a few adjustments. But otherwise, yeah,

good to go. Yeah. It is kind of weird though, isn't it reading? You know, reading it out loud. The whole book did, did you notice? Like I certainly did when I was reading Civilized to Death. There were sections. I was like, fuck, can I go back and fix this? Yeah. Why did I use that word? That's the wrong word. Oh,

yeah. I ended up editing a lot. Well, not a lot, but, you know, a few words and you read stuff and it just sounds clunky. It's like, why are there all these comments here? What's with this clause? You know, you're trying to read a whole sentence and you're feeling like you need an oxygen mask or something because it's just running on

forever. Exactly.

Yeah. It's a good practice in the sense that like if you do it before you publish it, I guess in that you can, you can make edits and streamline your book. But yeah, it's definitely different than writing.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. All right, Jack, thank you. And thank you to Alana for allowing you to tell this story. Yeah, shout out to Alana for helping

me with the book and letting me share with everybody and then for all the time on the trail. It wouldn't have been possible without her. It's

going to be so cool when, when Dean is old enough to read this. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't know. I mean, yeah. She'll get a sense of, you know, her experience on it, but then also the struggle is her parents want through. So, yeah, it'll

be

interesting to see what she thinks.

I mean, she probably won't remember anything specific, right? There might be some images or some sort of nebulous, who knows. But as you, as you get into toward the end of the book where you talk about, I think it's in the epilogue where, you know, it's clear that it has affected her in ways like she loves to be outside and she's always, you know, noticing things in the natural environment. And so you can see the, how the experience is sort of folded into the structure of her personality, even if she doesn't remember anything. So I just think it'll be so fascinating for her to read this and sort of look in the mirror and be like, wait a minute. Okay. I'm seeing myself a little

differently now, you know. Right. Yeah. I mean, who knows, you know, if all that stuff, you know, continues to happen in her being outside and, and however it should be. And, however it shaped her development, she can perhaps get a better understanding from, from being able to read that, like you mentioned. So yeah, I think it'll be, it'll be neat for her to look back on and have this as a way to remember the trip, even if she's not able to have any actual memories herself.

All right. I hope you enjoyed that conversation. You carry the baby. I'll carry the tent. Jack McClure is the author. You can find it on Amazon. I think it's got 4.9 stars at this point. And, and online, all sorts of places. I don't know if your local bookstore will have it, but it's certainly on Amazon. And the song again was, what was it? Find my way away back home. And the band is Give Me Motion. So if you enjoyed that, please check out Give Me Motion on Spotify and wherever you find your tunes. All right. I'm going to play you out with the wonderful Carsey Blanton smoke alarm reminding you that as much as it feels like this goes on forever. That's only because the ones it's already ended for aren't here to tell us that it ends. So everyone around us is still alive. Kind of weird, huh? Talk about confirmation bias. Anyway, remember you're going to die one day. Love y'all.

You're going to die one day. For example, I could kiss you just because I want you. What's the difference if you turn away? I'm going to die one day. Why do you waste your time thinking

about

your reputation? Try to meet an expectation. Wondering what they're going to say. When everyone you've ever known said it for a headstone, I don't want to give the end away. We're going to die one day. Your body isn't any moved. Doesn't ask for much. A little music and a soft touch. Why don't you let it out to play? Your heart is in a bird cave singing in your chest. You want to shut it up but give it a rest. You're going to die one day. Why do we waste our time thinking about our reputation? Running from a confrontation. Wondering what we ought to say. When everyone we've ever known has said it for a headstone, I don't want to give the end away. We're going to die one day. We're going to die one day. We're going to die one day. So baby what's a big deal? If you want to be free, say what you want to feel. Spend the night with me. I'm going to take you up in my arms. And if we must go down, we'll go sing into the smoke alarms. We're dancing to the ground.