Jordi: I think the very original story that we start with something our own version of like how we build a virtual machine, maybe the KVM or like the K virtual machine. And then like I talk with Barry Whitehead at the foundation and he is thinking of exactly the same idea of building the KVM for Ethereum layer one. So I think that's kind of how it comes from. Yes, same original source, but like kind of happening at the same time.

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