Algorithms, AI Pricing, and Accountability

On this episode of the Chuck ToddCast, Chuck is joined by former director of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau Rohit Chopra for a deep dive into the role of the agency and the broader fight to regulate powerful financial institutions. Chopra explains why the agency has struggled to gain footing in Washington, the skepticism the public feels toward banks, and how past regulatory failures contributed to the 2008 financial crisis. They discuss how the CFPB uncovered systemic abuses, the resistance it faces from well-funded interests, and the ongoing debate over who should regulate emerging sectors like cryptocurrency and consumer data.

The conversation also tackles the independence of the Federal Reserve, the risks of politicizing monetary policy, and how unchecked corporate power—from Wall Street to Silicon Valley—continues to shape the economy. Chopra pulls back the curtain on algorithmic lending practices, the dangers of personalized pricing, and why fines alone aren’t enough to hold companies accountable. From junk fees to crypto, from AI abuse to executive impunity, this episode explores why Americans are increasingly demanding regulators who stand up to entrenched financial interests—and why another populist economic revolt may be closer than we think.

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Timeline:

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00:00 Rohit Chopra joins the Chuck ToddCast

01:45 Why has it been so difficult for the CFPB to take root in DC?

02:30 The public is skeptical of financial institutions

03:15 What exactly is the CFPB and what is it supposed to do?

04:45 The fed board wasn’t regulating leading up to financial crisis

06:00 Why were prior regulators ineffective?

06:45 The CFPB has discovered multiple systemic abuses

07:30 Multiple companies settled, and new head of CFPB is ripping them up

08:30 Russ Vought is currently running the CFPB

09:45 What’s the difference between the FTC and the CFPB?

10:45 CFPB is responsible for regulating all financial institutions/lenders

12:30 Voters from both parties benefit from the CFPB protecting them

13:15 Deep pocketed interests want to defang the regulators

13:45 Who should be regulating crypto?

14:30 Is crypto a stock or a commodity?

16:00 Data from stablecoins can be used for targeting consumers

17:00 Which agency should protect Americans from abuse of their data?

18:45 Trump attempting to make more direct control of the Fed

19:30 The founders were against the president controlling the money supply

21:45 Federal Reserve hasn’t been independent under Trump

23:15 The fed has saved the economy twice, but may not if corrupted

24:15 Inflation is just one piece of the equation if the fed loses independence

26:15 Libertarians argue against having a fed, what’s the counter argument?

28:15 The fed should be focused on the entire economy and not just Wall St

30:00 Big moneyed interests wield huge power to avoid regulation

31:00 Did you ever look under the hood of a lending company's algorithm?

34:00 We need to outlaw AI being used for personal pricing

35:00 What is the legal justification for personalizing pricing?

37:30 The administration is destroying financial law enforcement

38:45 No consequences for bad behavior by banks & corporations

40:00 Fines aren’t a deterrent, criminal charges are

42:15 Tech companies are never held accountable

43:45 How did you become a financial regulator?

46:45 Prior generations had an easier path to financial stability

48:00 Who deserved to be brought up on criminal charges for the financial crisis?

49:00 So many investigations were never even started after crisis

51:00 Potential market disruptions dissuaded DOJ from prosecuting executives

53:00 Federal agencies give white glove treatment to big firms

54:00 We are close to another populist economic revolt

55:45 Americans want the government to stand up to private interests

58:15 The CFPB helped eliminate billions of dollars in junk fees

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