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Why it hurts to release a record (with Sylvan Esso)

Switched on Pop

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No Rules Sandy

No Rules Sandy is a backup line that I wrote for a song called Your Reality, where Nick and I both hear the one at a different point in the song. So we count it differently and we decided instead of making a compromise, we were just going to keep each other's count in. Because of that, I put in as kind of a joke. I said, No Rules Sandy, which is me just telling Nick that there's no rules. And when we played it for our friends, they were like, that's the name of the record.

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