I was arguing that that should be a big focus of the climate emergency fund. And I think, well, because initially, Extinction Rebellion, they came out of the gates and they're doing all these like very eye-catching and disruptive things. So anyway, in that next phase, it became pretty clear to me that that work was not of interest to most of the people or some of the people involved in the climate Emergency Fund. That change required immensely difficult navigation of the middle. Which is why most people reside.

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