Intro

Sen. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) comes to the Punchbowl News Townhouse to share his views on the government shutdown, now on its ninth day.

• When will it end? Gallego doesn't see a quick end to the shutdown.
• ACA: The Arizona Democrat is open to negotiations.
• Grijalva: Gallego continues to push Speaker Mike Johnson to swear in Rep.-elect Adelita Grijalva (D-Ariz.)

Plus, John Bresnahan, Punchbowl News' co-founder, and Igor Bobic, HuffPost's senior politics reporter, join for a post-interview conversation.

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