Signs vs Causes in Ancient Astrology

In episode 392 astrologers Adam Elenbaas and Chris Brennan discuss the relationship between fate and astrology, and how astrology can be used as a tool to study fate. This episode was originally recorded as a Q&A for Adam's YouTube channel, where we answered some questions that were sent in my his fans about fate, free-will, and ancient astrology. During the course of the episode we talk about how ancient astrologers viewed fate, and used astrology as a tool for understanding and negotiating it. Along the way we also touched on other topics such as karma and reincarnation, electional astrology and magic, and how to delineate a birth chart in a way that balances determinism and free-will. This episode is available in both audio and video versions below. Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:11 Diverse views of ancient astrologers 00:04:48 Were ancient astrologers fatalistic? 00:07:10 Definition of fate 00:10:35 Complete determinism 00:16:03 Partial determinism 00:19:08 Signs vs Causes 00:30:07 Resources about Jung on astrology 00:31:28 Is fate the same as karma? 00:43:24 Was astrology a religion? 00:49:08 Did ancient astrologers believe your chart was a set of instructions? 01:02:16 Was astrological magic used by all astrologers? 01:10:30 Electional astrology and magic 01:12:44 Limitations of predictive astrology 01:18:20 What successful astrology looks like 01:22:36 Why ancient texts sound fatalistic 01:28:45 Modern astrology's view of charts as a set of potentials 01:37:42 How to deliver a delineation 01:38:45 Why fate is a good thing 01:44:36 Concluding remarks 01:47:04 Patrons and sponsors Watch the Video Version of This Episode Watch the video version of this episode on fate and astrology on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XAr4wbJ-gMs - Transcript A full transcript of this episode is available: Episode 392 transcript Listen to the Audio Version of This Episode Listen to the audio version of this episode or download the MP3 here: