How do you have that deep love and also maintain some sort of equanimity? Is it that you learn to love without becoming attached? I just think there's something about having a light grasp on things. And when people burn out, not because they're hypercompassionate, it's because they've allowed it to become about them. That's the goal. Service is the hallway, but kinship is the ballroom.
Father Gregory Boyle is an American Jesuit priest and the founder of Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles, the largest gang-intervention, rehabilitation, and reentry program in the world. He has received the California Peace Prize and been inducted into the California Hall of Fame. In 2014, the White House named Boyle a Champion of Change. He received the University of Notre Dame’s 2017 Laetare Medal, the oldest honor given to American Catholics. He is the acclaimed author of Tattoos on the Heart, Barking to the Choir, and his latest book, Forgive Everyone Everything.
Fabian Debora is the artist and illustrator of the book, Forgive Everyone Everything. His work has been showcased in solo and group exhibitions throughout the US and abroad. Fabian served previously served as a counselor and the Director of Substance Abuse Services & Programming and a mentor at Homeboy Industries in Los Angeles and is now the Executive Director of Homebody Art Academy.
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Father Greg Boyle & Fabian Debora and I Discuss How to Find Hope and Kinship
- His book, Forgive Everyone Everything
- The organization he founded, Homeboy Industries, to rehabilitate gang members
- Hope and how our focus must not be on outcomes
- How life is about removing the blindfold to see the goodness within us
- Joy is the love of being loving
- Equanimity and learning to not grasp at our pain
- Defining kinship as deep connection with others
- How we need to acknowledge privelege
- Fabian’s journey of recovery and his work with Homeboy Industries
- How his art represents his journey and lived experiences
- How he tells a story through his art
- His responsibility of an artist to combat stereotypes
- How he maintains hope amidst tragedy
- The legacy that he hopes to create for his family and community
- How kinship is a circle where everyone belongs
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