Is There a Regulating of Spying?

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It's going to be very difficult to certainly have any kind of international regimes governing this type of activity. One of the interesting things about these tools is it's had what we've called this sort of democratization effect. It's much more difficult to regulate. I'm glad this story has a happy ending in which we're all doomed. Let's hope not.

“Zero-click spyware” is making it easier for governments to get their hands on individuals’ personal data. New York Times investigative reporter Mark Mazzetti says that when it comes to spyware, the United States is both an arsonist and a firefighter.

This episode was produced by Amanda Lewellyn, edited by Matt Collette, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Efim Shapiro, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.

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