The Seven Signs of Ethical Collapse

I've heard you discuss this interesting notion of how many of these CEOs many people who end up committing fraud are at the time simultaneously visionaries and frauds. I like that because it's almost like a Schrödinger's cat situation where at the point of committing the fraud that they're both a fraud and a visionary. Depending on which way it goes sort of how history will will remember them yes do you think that's a mental model that describes most of these situations? And so you can see how those how one can become the other fairly easily.

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