Ruth Ben-Ghiat
The Back Room with Andy Ostroy
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The Demagogue and the Follower
There's this thing that happens where they, it's the thrill of for the first time in their lives being rewarded for having no morals. And I've seen this over and over again. Once they make these deals, the guy can do anything murder anybody, whatever. They very rarely peel off. So you get these humiliating things like Mike Pence, if he was targeted for death and he didn't speak out,. He could have actually led because he leads are very important.
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