Before founding AppDynamics, you were a engineer at Wiley. You went from that to CEO of a, how many people did app do you have? About 1500. So you scales along the way. But one of the things on the journey that I thought was particularly unusual is you really found religion on sales and enterprise sales. Was there a mentor or someone that sort of taught you that path or did you just figure out this was something you needed to become best and brave? Right. The core of it, I'm a product guy. So the where I like to spend the most of my time is product.

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