Eat Your Vegetables: Embracing Necessary Hard Work

In this episode of the podcast, Dan and Ray sit down with David Yip - former Salesforce Director for Education in APAC, UNSW Business School advisory board member, and host of the Relearning Work podcast. Together, they explore how education must adapt in a world shaped by AI, where learning and earning can no longer be separate. David shares insights from his work in big tech, his leadership with the Future Skills Organisation, and his new platform alumly, designed to bridge the gap between study and employment. This conversation unpacks themes of scale, the need to shift from finding answers to asking questions, and why the future of learning must be deeply human-centred - even in a tech-driven world.   Resources   We talked about some of the stories we'd heard on David's own podcast, Relearning Work Podcast, which is on Apple podcasts and Spotify.  During the interview the episodes we mentioned specifically were:

• Paul LeBlanc - noted for scaling the institution massively and innovating education delivery Part One  and Part Two 
• Jessica Vanderlelie - Discussed shifting from finding answers to asking questions Listen now
• Sally Browner - Talked about the IATD (Institute for Applied Technology – Digital) and micro-credentials. "You’ve got to eat your vegetables." Listen now
• John Dewar - discussed systemic reform, earn-while-you-learn models, and unbundling education  Listen Now

  We also discussed the Future Skills Organisation Report "Workforce Plan 2025 - Pathways to Impact"