I've always come to all of these conversations with a real open mind. And when I'm asking the why and coach me on those type questions, it's pretty genuine because there's just so much should be learning at any given time. Yeah, it's definitely true at your scale and how much is going on with organizations. There's also the person, I guess, who's looking at this or bringing the problem. They've probably spent more time than the manager thinking about it, right?

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