I think we're so deprived of good interesting content on this show that when anybody good comes on we like jizz all over it. Rick Rubin is definitely a guru producer he sets up the environment he's there to sell a book first of all yeah but he knows how to create an environment for someone to bring other best dude at one point he looked at Joe and was like just so you know I don't know anything about music I know nothing about music which I was like this is why I love this episode though was I found it really inspiring  and maybe that's just a personal thing because of where I am in my lifebut his whole just whole his whole idea of like how to

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