"I was born in the early 80s, but my grandfather was a, he was a telephone engineer. He was really into this period of personal computers." "He gave me as a kid a used Atari 800 XL that was many years out of date and like, you know, gave it to me". The magazine Antic and Analog would have source code for programs people could do with their computer. 'There was not a vision that everyone was going to program'

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