Bob Hiller: Our faith is up and down. We need somebody to come outside of us so that we are constantly needing to hear Christ for me. The old contemporary Christian band, Caden, is called that wonderful line where they sang, faith is like shifting sand. It changes by every wave. So I stand on grace. That's all the time we have for this new extended episode of White Horse In. To learn more about joining as a monthly partner your gift will help us to continue this work.