This is really, for me, about politics and its place in society. There's only one reason for politics to exist, and hat is to help us solve problems. The real tribal divides in our society symbolize the deepest differences about what kind of people we want to be. We need a political map now that allows us to represent the true divisions in our society. Our opponents confront the world with timidity," he says.
Is identity politics tearing society apart or is it a call for social justice for everyone? That's the theme of this week's Sunday Debate.
For the motion were journalist and author of 'We Need To Talk About Kevin', Lionel Shriver and Founding chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission Trevor Phillips.
Against the motion were Labour politician David Lammy and Guardian journalist, the late Dawn Foster.
The chair was Kamal Ahmed former editorial director of the BBC.
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