I want the Chinese to be able to criticize our prison system which is way more incarcerating than theirs at percentage wise, he says. Do you think this kind of strategy will be helpful in spreading democracy around the world? Is that too much to ask? I think it's the only strategy that might help in spreading. One of the things about democracy and by the way the language of human rights is that on the whole, once you get them into the hands of ordinary people, they think they're a good idea.

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