Speaker 2
So it's not as though all that money is going out to buy arms for for ukrane
Speaker 1
right? That's exactly right. And strategically speaking, why do this? Why do this? And the point i've made is this, if you have the opportunity, without losing a single amer life, to to effectively dismantle or disable the second largest adversary that we have, shich is the russian military, and somebody's doing the fighting for you, yet, why are you not in favor of this? How is that not putting america first? As is? By the way, i think trumpetby would be championing this, because, i mean, he said as much. Ye.
Speaker 2
Well, he an we was the first one after obama, literally throug blankets and mares at the problem. When ukrane was invaded the first time, tromp was the one who gave them lethal armsright? And was continuing to give them lethal arms until the end of his presidency. So a hundred % agree.
Speaker 1
It's a rhetorical question. Is it really america first? If russia and china are doing whatever they want around the world and shaping the world in their own image,
Speaker 2
t men to say it's the age orde adage. If america doesn't lead around the world, then who illand i don't want my kids and gran kids growing up in a world led by russia and china. Unravelling
Speaker 1
the strategic point a le further. If the russian military is disabled, they're almost there as it is, what does that mean? Look, they sill have got neks, right, which is, which is a deterrence. But what they don't have is the ability to invade another country, even a small one. That matters. Why does matter? Because we don't have to worry about it. You know, we don't have to have the debate. If
Speaker 2
it's not happening, we don't have to. So another another argument is right? Is that china is our greatest threat. We ought to be totally focused on china. A, and yo, why are we botheringth with ukrane in europe if china is our greatest threat? Again, take o off cenagre. Take
Speaker 1
it off the table. Ta, you can.
Speaker 2
Fo, i agree, before meais a problem. I agree that our border is a on the bidons ignoring. And i spend a good portion of every day in congress dealing with the chinese communist party, whether they're in or universities or siber or focusing or military. But if you want to truly be able to focus on china going forward, this war is going to take russia off the table for many, many years, and their ability to threaten the region imen there. Theire litary is just run into a meat grinder. Now i have to point out, dan, that one of the reasons the russian military ran into a meat grinder in ukrane was eight years of green baras on the ground training the ukranians to kick ass and take names and kill russians. I think the seals were playing video games, or inow ewer
Speaker 1
they were. Seals are there too, butn
Speaker 2
i don't know. They wall serious to
Speaker 1
say they weren't there afraid. Well, i will. I'll give greenberrys this that your bailewick is cirgit warfare on conventional warfare. O guys are very good at it. And im transferring those tactics and training to partner forces's it's long beenbut
Speaker 2
actually, one of the criticisms i have now of the bite administration is they've taken that training off the table because they've let poton deterus. And so while i support, and have supported the the military aid go into the ucraniuns who are fighting and dying for all o our freedom, i firmly believe that at the same time, you can't just throw these sophisticated radar systems and other things at them and say, good luck. They needa, they need a concerted, ranational training programm that
Speaker 1
t again, and need an advisory programme to help him actually employ it even better. Yes, no, that that's a more complicated discussion. I sert exactly how how aid should be given. I want to kep us focuson broter stuff, on the strategic stuff. And i want to just reiterate the point that was that was really just made. If you really think china is the number one threat, then guess what, i agree with you. And it behooves us to take other threats off the table. Now, now, we didn't instigate this. This is another weird rumor that goes on o on our own side, that this is a us. Led war started in 20 14, because we, we instigated this revolution. As if we had the power, by the way, to just convince millions of ukranians to rebel against their government because they want to be associated with the west. And what an amazing power that is, by the way. A, you
Speaker 2
know, that's giving
Speaker 1
us away too much cred, too much criedits such is not truet. Is fundamentally not true. A, do we support thit? Yes, of course. Like there's this recording of our diplomats talking about it, which it's exactly their job is to talk about who we should support. So, a, it's, it's, it's a strange line of reasoning, but it exists nevertheless, and it's worth discussing.
