Contrasting Views on Modernity and Environmentalism

Join us in an engaging conversation as we delve into the mysterious roots of modern leftist beliefs. We explore the perceived borderline theological nature of these beliefs and address three main areas: environmentalism, trans politics, and genetics. The discussion highlights the urban monoculture's tendency to ascribe moral value to perceived weakness, creating a 'noble obligation' that diverges from traditional self-preservation instincts. We also touch on the inherent mistrust of advancement, the industrial revolution, and the anti-human sentiment among progressives, drawing comparisons with historical and cultural contexts. This episode provides valuable insights into the cultural and ideational forces shaping present-day ideological dynamics.

Malcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello Simone. I am excited to be here with you today. Today we are going to be tackling and, and trying to work our way through something that I see as particularly an interesting mystery that I don't know if I have a formal thesis on what's causing it yet but it is when I look at you know, the urban monoculture from which, you know, modern leftist culture derives itself.

Where it holds beliefs that I would say appear to an outsider to be borderline theological. And, and it is a sin to go against these particular beliefs. Most frequently these beliefs fall into a few categories. Environmentalism is a really big one. Another one is trans politics is a really big one.

And then another one is genetics is a really big one. And I'm, I'm like actually like, sort of [00:01:00] surprised because not all of these things are like intrinsic to a leftist worldview. How they arrived and consolidated around these particular areas. Where they most frequently say things that just like on face value or was like the littlest bit of research are not true.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: You know, this can be, you know, in genetics it's like, well, everyone has exactly the same capabilities. And it's like they, they very obviously don't, like if you, if you do even the basis look at science, some of our. Proclivities and traits have a her component. Like that's a weird thing to claim.

And people can be like, oh, well this is like downstream of like fears about like nazim and eugenics and stuff like that. And I'm like. Maybe, but it's weird that it's so core to the way they see the world. And Min was environmentalism. There's this form of not real environmentalism, but aesthetic environmentalism.

I persistently see them retreat to mm-hmm. You know, where like they're taking [00:02:00] down like nuclear power plants in Germany. Despite their only other source of energy being like Russian oil, which is like obviously dirtier, but like as environmentalists we're anti-nuclear. Like, and, and it's not just that, it's also like when I mention something like this is like reporters frequently have like a visceral reaction when I tell them fertility collapse will affect people's lives more in the next hundred years than global warming will.

And they're like, are you sure you don't wanna restate that? Like, they see this as like an absolutely insane thing to say. Like I'm saying the sky is red. When I say global, it's not the most important thing. Or they're like, well, don't you care about like a, a, a huge. Collapse in the number of species you know, like a mass extinction.

And I'm like, a mass extinction is bad. Like it's not awesome. There are consequences of a mass extinction. They're not existential consequences. Like it's, it's, it's, it's [00:03:00] bad. Like it's not great. I'm not aiming for it, but it's not, you know, threatening to human survival or even the existing way that we structured our civilizations.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: In the way that they seem to be like implying it is. And I don't think that they really believe it is either. They're not afraid of a mass extinction because of humans. They're afraid of a mass extinction because the mass extinction matters. So as somebody who used to, I think you maybe used to genuinely hold some of these beliefs, maybe you can explain to me sort of how they work and, and where they're coming from.

Simone Collins: I think maybe a lot of people steeped in the urban monoculture, super progressive modern religion have this modern version of noble abl in that they're indoctrinated in. That leads them to believe that their purpose is to protect anything that is perceived as less [00:04:00] capable of defending itself than they are that the last person for them to defend is anything close to them because they come from this position of privilege.

So it's different from the old concept of noble obl, which I think had a little bit more of a self preservation instinct. This one's a more like suicidal form of noble obl, if that makes sense. That's just like, I don't matter. I am wretched. And I must protect all that, which is. Relatively more defenseless.

Malcolm Collins: That's a really interesting point. So essentially they ascribe automatic moral value to whatever they perceive to be the weaker party.

Simone Collins: Greater victimhood holds higher moral val value. And that is indeed, I think why oppression Olympics kind of went out of hand because I think some people have a deeper instinct to still want to be at the top of a dominance hierarchy.

And they realized intuitively. That they could only be at the top of the dom hierarchy by being more of a victim. And that's why you get every, everything from people playing oppression [00:05:00] Olympics to wealthy to middle class teenage girls becoming spoons and playing, yeah. Oppression Olympics by getting sick.

Well, this

Malcolm Collins: explains a lot. It, is it, yeah. That, that part explains where you get this like invented trans identity and I think that the, like the, the, the, yeah. Well, it also

Simone Collins: explains why. In those heat maps, for example. And sort of research of the, yeah, progressive versus conservative brain. Progressives hold more things as having moral weight that are not their family, their immediate community in themselves.

That makes

Malcolm Collins: sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense actually. But there's

Simone Collins: more than just that. I think there's an inherent distrust of advancement. I. And the concept of manifest destiny or conquering the natural world. And I think this is why among progressive circles, the book Sapiens took on so much.

I've never heard a conservative, I. Talk about Sapiens. Yes. And, and be like, oh, sapiens, my dad. [00:06:00] And like a big, a big aspect or thesis of Sapiens. So it's admittedly been almost 10 years since I've first read it. Is that hated, hated I made me so angry. It's just wrong. It's like just sort of talks about how.

Everything kind of went downhill after agriculture and our teeth got horrible and we'd lived in stressful environments and we'd lived in diseased cities, and it was just always so bad and like, oh, somehow our hunting gathering period was so wonderful. And I think the reason why that resonated so much with educated, progressive audiences is that there is this inherent mistrust of modernity and of conquering.

For example, nature. And I think this is also seen in the contrast between the way that conservatives have historically engaged with the environment and conservation. Versus how progressives have engaged with the environment. So conservatives are all like, yes, conservation. Like, let's go out hunting. Like let's go out camping.

Let's enjoy conquering [00:07:00] nature and protect it so we can keep conquering it. Yeah. Again, because it's so freaking fun. Our training simulator, we can't disrupt it. Yeah, yeah. Like let's, let's keep it around 'cause it's really, really great. And then progressives are more like, no, let's tear down. Our nuclear plants, our modernity, let's tear down our cities, let's tear down our modern infrastructure.

In some cases it's literally, you know, engage in degrowth and tear down our economies and civilization to let nature take back over. And of course the extreme version of this is antinatalism. Wouldn't it be great if a comet wiped out all humans? Wouldn't it be great if all humans died?

Malcolm Collins: Which is surprising number of progressives believe when we did our survey in the United States, 17% of the respondents said the world would be better without any humans continue.

Sorry.

Simone Collins: Yeah. But that's the, I think that it's that combination of this modern noble ablation, I am wretched and everything outside me that it, that has higher victimhood status or less agency is more important. It takes precedence over my needs. And [00:08:00] remember you, it took you like. Seven years to convince me that I was not the dumbest, lowest value person of everyone.

Yeah. Like this was deeply ingrained in me. And it took so much work on your part to convince me that you were deeply

Malcolm Collins: unspectacular. And I was like, no, you are spectacular. You are one of the most desirable humans on Earth. Well, and one of the most talented humans on earth. And I just like,

Simone Collins: like literally though, I mean, I, I would see someone, you know, who.

Had a lot, like very serious problems and just assume that they were better, smarter, more age agentic than me. Like the, the, it was, it was I think some people will hear that and be like, I don't know. She's a four. She's mid, she's not what Malcolm says he's wearing husband goggles. No, I, this was actually dysmorphic.

Malcolm Collins: I'm not saying I'm not, hold on. I'm not even talking about attractiveness here. I'm talking about competence,

Simone Collins: intelligence, competence. Yeah. A agency, all of that. I, I thought that I was lesser and, and, and more wretched. And so like, if anyone. Or to say something like, well, that's not true, or [00:09:00] I'd just be like, okay.

And that, and I, and I made her

Malcolm Collins: play this game at Stanford when she went to Cambridge. 'cause I sent her there for graduate school. I was like, okay, Cambridge is like the best place, right? And I was like, every day you gotta tell me if you met anyone smarter than yourself. 'cause you were at least able to judge that like, like more interesting started than yourself.

And she just never did. And I was like, okay. So this is supposedly where the smartest and best people in the world. Like go, if you're not finding people better than you here and now, you know, we get invited to events like heretic and stuff like that, right? Where like. Some of the wealthiest people in the world you know, who, who run like major funds and stuff like that, like it's really run by Mike Solana and Peter Thiel.

They, they go out and they invite like whoever they think is changing the world most. So it's bringing together like literally from a top down, like the most agentic people. And I'd say like within that environment of the women in that environment, you're easily in the top 50%. In, in terms of, I, I'd say like intelligence and agency and interestingness.

And so that's wild because that's already like a super [00:10:00] preselected crowd. And, and so I think that yeah, you, you really struggle to be like, oh, I'm actually like you know, competent. Right?

Simone Collins: And I think that's pretty pervasive in this culture, and that's another important part of this.

Malcolm Collins: That's really interesting actually, because, because the call culture values a lack of status, so much like a victimhood mindset so much that it doesn't really give you the tools to see yourself as anything.

But to see yourself as something other than like you, you're, you're only supposed to go into everything expecting the least of yourself which is, yeah, I, I have a story. I remember, about this, that, that you would find comical, Simone. Which is the first time I went to buy condoms. I was like, well, I am like a normal whatever person, so I should buy small condoms.

Which now not accurate. Somebody slept around a lot. [00:11:00] I'm like, oh. That was a very, very big mistake. That must have been

Simone Collins: a deeply uncomfortable thing to discover when you first

Malcolm Collins: Oh no, they just immediately broke. But that's what I thought because I was like, oh, you know, I am average. I am, well, not even average to assume I'm average to assume too much of myself.

No, hold on. I must. Be a little below average. Right. You know, because that's, I think you're right. Yeah. We're taught that that's a value to not have pride in yourself. It No, it's, it. I don't,

Simone Collins: no, it's not even so. To a certain extent, we're taught to value things that are, are lesser in victimy, but we, we are also demoralized, and I think some people end up playing oppression Olympics because they, they put the two together.

They're like, oh, I'm demoralized, but also I can leverage this to gain status. I never made that connection. You never made that connection.

Malcolm Collins: But some people do well, subtle underground connection you know, that that is rewarded [00:12:00] subconsciously. But a lot of people don't realize, because I think a lot of people like, like genuinely, I think the vast majority of trans people do not realize that they are being treated with a special degree of status was in urban monoculture environments.

They, they genuinely are. Unable to see the systemic privilege they have over cis people. They, they genuinely think that that like what's going on around them is a form of oppression. And I think it's because they see you. You you remember there's a great chart of women. And, and men progressives.

Right. But, but women specifically who today think that being a woman severely damages the prospects of being successful in life. Well, I think people have come to equate

Simone Collins: literally life just being hard sometimes. Being alive, being hard sometimes to oppression.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no, no, no. So over 50% of progressive women, I remember we were looking at a chart think that women are systematically discriminated against when it comes to getting into college.

Mm-hmm. Like the. That's [00:13:00] insane considering women make up like the vast majority of college goers these days, right?

. So here you can see two graphs titled Trends and Perceptions of Discrimination Against Women Amongst 12th Graders by Sex and Ideology, 1976 to 2022. And you can see that female liberals. The purple line here to the question, to what extent do you think your sex will prevent you from getting the kind of work you would like to have?

Went from around 40% in 2010, which is ridiculously high, but whatever, um, to 75% as of like 2024 or 2022. Like why is it going up so much? They're just being brainwashed. And you can see in other groups it's going down. Then in perceptions of discrimination against women, again, you see it going way up after the 2010s in both, uh, male liberals and female liberals.

Malcolm Collins: Like they, they think Oh yeah, women, they have it so hard in college because it's so, you know, may maybe because they're, they, they make up a larger portion of the population or something in college.

I, I, I don't know. I could see

Simone Collins: [00:14:00] college being harder with more women being present.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: But, but the reality is, is that actually no. It was always the dudes on the group projects who made life miserable. Get back. They did.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Dead. That is an interesting point.

Simone Collins: Yeah. I want the Lisa Simpsons. You know, I want, I want other people who are as like, do goody as I was.

I hated the dead way. Screw you guys.

Malcolm Collins: And then you get me on a group project and I always just like, all right, this is how we're gonna do. I, I was actually really good at that stuff. You were, you,

Simone Collins: you were a, a major, like you did disproportionately, you were very unusual. No,

Malcolm Collins: not, not even that. I was very good at splitting up work and making sure people did that work.

No, you made them

Simone Collins: functional. You weren't, you weren't like the, you weren't the girl who was just like, I'll do it all. Yeah. And everyone else just is quiet. You were like, you do this, you do this, but you also like, because you did that, you were disproportionately doing more work.

Malcolm Collins: I guess I never felt that way.

I was taking more rewards, I'll tell you that. I, [00:15:00] no, I, I in college I was running like every society. I was like president simultaneously of like multiple large societies on campus, and no one had ever done that. Good leaders

Simone Collins: know how to recognize talent. And leverage it and delegate. Well, that's good.

Malcolm Collins: I, I guess I wanted power or whatever. Like I, I, I liked doing it. There's that. I wanted it for my resume to get into decision. Your

Simone Collins: power hunger had nice negative externalities

Malcolm Collins: with negative externalities or positive externalities. Sorry.

Simone Collins: Nice positive externalities.

Malcolm Collins: Mm.

Simone Collins: But okay, let's focus on

Malcolm Collins: the environmental stuff, like I still don't. Fully. I guess what you're saying is that environmentalism from a progressive perspective, they see like imperialism is bad, like the expansion of European culture and wizard industrialization is bad.

Progress. Progress. Just

Simone Collins: human intervention and I, I, I actually think, so we, we talk about antinatalism and anti-human sentiment as being a novel advent. I, I [00:16:00] think it is, it has deeper and older roots than that, and I think that it was first manifested as. A hatred of human advancement, imperialism, and manifest destiny.

That it ultimately was about anti-human sentiment and this, this resentment of humans conquering nature and conquering natural environments and that, that, that looped into environmentalism and was combined with this, I think Christian derived, but I'm gonna say corrupted Christian sentiment derived.

Adoration of victimhood.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know if the victimhood, adoration, I like a lot of people have made this claim that it comes downstream of Christian culture. Mm-hmm. Or like Protestant culture.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: I don't know if I believe that.

Simone Collins: Why? On what

Malcolm Collins: grounds? So it seems to work all by itself without the Christian culture.

You know, you, yeah, I wasn't,

Simone Collins: yeah, certainly [00:17:00] from Christian

Malcolm Collins: culture, you want to protect the weakest thing. 'cause that's how you prove that you are the best. Right? Like, that you're not doing anything wrong, you know? And it, and it comes from, if you just make this mindset where like, well the Goins are weaker, therefore they're in the right.

And you're like, well, they do like torture gay people. Like, are you okay with that? And they're like, well, they don't because a weak person can't be evil. Like there's this understanding that, that the morality of a group is, is. There's never like a case in which a weak person is a bad person.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And, and yeah.

There's never a case in which a weak community or group is abusing other communities. Yeah. No matter their

Simone Collins: crimes. And if their crimes were horrendous, well, it was because of what we've done to them. Well, I mean,

Malcolm Collins: you see, this was the grooming gangs and the grape gangs of mm-hmm. Of Muslims that you have around Europe right now.

Mm-hmm. They're like really prevalent and like capture and grape lots of. Girls or the case in the United States where you [00:18:00] had a, a group of black teens who invited over a white teen with like mental disabilities and like beat him near to death or something. And like the progressives were like cheering this as like a, oh, you know, I.

You know, like, them winning like you keep seeing this of, of, well, because they're in X group and obviously the real weaker person is the white, the real weak old person or the, the Israelis who were captured. The real weaker person is the person who happens to be born gay in Gaza. But it is the, I think a larger community, like they're not able to see this on the individual level.

They try to look at the community level. Mm-hmm. In terms of how they structure this ideology. And then say, okay, so the weaker individual at the community level is the individual that's deserving of, of, of higher status, and therefore we just assume that everything they're saying is right is very much like the, you know, believe all women thing and stuff like that.

Right? Mm-hmm. Including Israeli women who are being griped in, in, in gossip. Well, not them, you know, they're not, you know. So the way [00:19:00] it sorts, I'm trying to say like hierarchically, how it sorts well this also comes to, you know, whether it's genetics or culture thing, but like genetically and culturally we're all the same.

There's no differences in us. And this explains where you, and I've mentioned this in previous episodes, it's where it's reiterating why the urban monoculture always ends up turning to antisemitism and against the Jews because it explains all human differences because it doesn't believe in genetics and it doesn't really believe in cultural differences.

In proficiency, it believes all differences in groups must come from one group discriminating against another group or exercising some form of like, you know, power over another group or cheating in some way. And so, you know, because Jews disproportionately succeed in economic and academic context, they must be cheating.

Right, right,

Simone Collins: right.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that, that at the end of the day, so long as Jews have the Jewish exceptionalism IE achieving at an, an unusual rate was in multiple fields. They will be seen as the core oppressor group, especially due to their smaller size. 'cause they're like, well look at their proport success and [00:20:00] smaller size and they don't fit into any of our special categories.

So, you know, we need to get rid of them. And I think that many people were surprised how hard the urban monoculture turned against the Jews. And they expect this to be a short-lived phenomenon tied to this. War that they're having right now. And I don't think it is, I think it's a, it's a going to be a persistent shift.

Simone Collins: Oh, dear. Well,

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, it's, it, it's, it's good more broadly because it, it brings the Jews who believed that the progressives were their friends into the sort of new Right cause into the prenatal cause, into the, you know, the persistent alliance. I think it's causing

Simone Collins: two things. I think it's causing some reformed Jews who are progressive to completely disown.

If you're not having kids, yeah. They'll, they'll

Malcolm Collins: be gone soon anyway.

Simone Collins: Yeah, probably.

Malcolm Collins: And what's the other thing?

Simone Collins: And, and yeah, the, the, the rest will just drop. But I don't know. I think it's really hard for some people to accept that they're no longer [00:21:00] part. Of the urban monoculture. There's a lot of fear around that.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah. That the urban monoculture has turned on. Well, I think it's, you know, you were talking about this and, and some people on Blue Sky, you were trying to be like, well, the Collins aren't really that bad. 'cause we went viral on there recently. And, but they're, they're progressive, right? And so they're trying to explain this.

And they, they dealt with like major cognitive dissonance and someone was like, why, why is this happening? You know? And, oh my God. This is like actually like a, what is that? Oh what? There was like a white line on my glasses.

Simone Collins: Oh.

Malcolm Collins: This is, this is actually like a thing that's happening. And I think that the, the reason is, is because especially some women, and this is where I see this happening the most, have such a like, instinctual desire to fit in with whichever the dominant culture is.

They struggle to think outside of that box.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah. Specifically an argument that she was trying to make was [00:22:00] that they were saying, well, they have, they have been to conferences with bad people. They didn't use that word. They used other words. But you not, these of course, conferences with bad people, therefore they are bad people.

And she's like, well, how are you gonna change the minds of bad people if you never talk to them? And they're like, ah. But then she, she felt like somehow that that was a weak argument. It's not a weak argument. Like you really, if you don't engage with people that you disagree with, how are you ever going to like.

You know, expose them to ideas that might change their minds. And, and yet she somehow was like, well, that was a dumb idea. I can't believe I said that. That's embarrassing. You know? No,

Malcolm Collins: the, the urban monoculture really protects itself by creating a cultural norm around not engaging with outside ideas and not exposing yourself to outside ideas.

And I, and that's what we're seeing here is this. It is a very powerful norm from like a more, it's about social

Simone Collins: contagion. Just like there's something, and I don't understand it. There's [00:23:00] something going on with social contagion.

Malcolm Collins: No, no, no. This is the point being Simone, is that the urban monoculture has developed a pattern of isolating anyone who might have engaged with an outside idea.

That's what they're trying to do to us. They're like, oh, these people appear to be immune to our, the cultural virus. These people appear to be able to engage with outsiders. If they engage with outsiders, they might bring some idea into this larger mimetic cluster which is dangerous to it. So we can't engage with them.

The easiest way to protect. Your ideology is to never engage with the, the ideas of the people you disagree with.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that that's what's happening there. And this is why, you know, you persistently see, you know, in in studies that have looked at this, is that conservatives have a much easier time modeling progressives than the other way around.

Is that they, they, they literally build a wall. And that's one of the most interesting things about debating what's progressives on, you know, policy or whatever is they're like, you guys are, are Nazis and racist? And it's [00:24:00] like, well, I mean. Right. You know, this is just like as you're gonna lock up women and rela black people, and it's like, well, that hasn't happened.

Right? So that doesn't appear to be where we're going. And they really struggle with the idea that the, the world that we're living in, you know, under the Trump administration isn't the world that. They, they said, we're fighting against the Trump administration to prevent, right? Like their, their, their idea of the other side is so fictionalized that they have trouble engaging with it in any way, but it needs to be fictionalized because they, they did engage with it.

They'd understand that the urban monoculture is at its core, very imperialistic.

Simone Collins: Hmm. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Well, I mean, it is, it's, it's, it's you know, I was talking with a reporter recently and I was like, okay, so, you know, you understand when I talk to somebody in the urban monoculture and I'm like, well, the people in Africa who you claim to love so much, you know, they have very different rules [00:25:00] around gender roles in marriage and very different rules around a woman's role and very different ideas around you know, gay people and very different views on what's like moral and which happened after death, et cetera.

And, and, and, they are thinking in their heads. Well, I mean, of course one day, you know, every one of their churches will be fi flying. The what, what, what do we call this flag?

Simone Collins: Colonizers. Fly flying. The colonizers

Malcolm Collins: flag, you know, I. And, and this is the, the new weird pride flag. Ev ev every church in Africa is gonna be flying this, and they're all gonna have our idea about gender roles in marriage.

And they're all gonna have our idea about how you should raise your children. You know, corporal punish, if that's what they do now they're, they're all gonna have our idea around, you know, gay, you know, they're all gonna have our idea about everything. And it's like, well, they functionally eradicated their culture.

There is nothing more imperialist than that perception. And I think that that's the irony of the urban monoculture. It is of all cultural groups, the most supremacist in that they believe themselves to be naturally superior to all others. The most [00:26:00] imperialistic that other groups are supremacists, but they are supremacists with qualifications.

You know, like evangelical Christians for example, have a respect for Jewish culture, right? Like. Frequently, right? Like, they're like, oh, we gotta help them rebuild their temple. Like they have this degree of like, let's work together. The urban monoculture does, it sees everyone else's, basically like savage monsters.

Like completely dehumanized.

Simone Collins: Well, very patronizing too. Yeah, and also misleading past man. Oh, we respect your culture. We, we are the only ones who respect you. But like secretly. We're gonna change all of your savage ways of, I mean, you know, you'll see the light, of course you'll do this of your own free will, but.

We will cure you and in a very creepy way.

Malcolm Collins: And it's such a beautiful dystopia to live through because, you know, we know they're going to lose at the end of the day, right? Like, that's so, I can't imagine living through this and seeing them in positions of power and feeling like, oh my God, they could actually succeed in this like insane [00:27:00] conquest where they eradicate all of the cultural diversity of our planet.

And, and one day everyone just thinks like them, and yet they still believe they're the victims in all of this. It's, it's, it's literally like almost the most evil conceivable perspective to both see yourself as a victim while systemically oppressing those other than you.

Simone Collins: Yeah, not great.

But I mean, I, I think it really just comes down broadly to these things of anti humanity and victim elevation.

I don't, I don't know how else to explain it.

Malcolm Collins: Well, anti-industry I think as well. I mean, we really, when we chose anti-industry is

Simone Collins: anti humanity. I mean, industry is the most human thing. You know, it, it is finding more efficient ways. It is a prefrontal cortex. Industry is an emergent property of the prefrontal cortex.

Take away the prefrontal cortex, and there is no industry.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but I think, you know, you look at our, [00:28:00] that we use in the techno puritan stuff and we use in the hard EA foundation and everything, and it's, it's, it's a gear, right? Like it represents industry, it represents innovation and. Moving forwards. And if I had a second one, it would be like a, a factory pumping out smoke.

You know what I mean? Like, the idea of, of a progress as defined in, in, in the age of the enlightenment in the you know, industrial revolution. I. How that's continuing with AI and whatever, you know, it comes to symbolize AI in the same way that a, a, a billowing factory represented industry during the industrial revolution.

That is what we stand, and it's also why we're so antagonistic with individuals who want to, you know, belittle. I the same way in the past, somebody might have belittled industry and been like, oh, well everything handwoven is is better. You know, they'll loom what a, what a joke. That's never gonna catch on.

You know, and that's why I feel with people, you know, talking about AI art and traditional artists and ai, you know, whatever, why we're so interested in getting in AI [00:29:00] was like our AI education system and our AI gaming system, and,

which I'm really excited about. We'll see if they, you know, it'd be cool if we end up actually raising money for, for both and.

Simone Collins: It'd be amazing if we do. I am really excited. Well, hopefully we'll find out within the next three weeks, so we'll see. We'll see.

Malcolm Collins: Yes. Yeah, I, it's, it's what you just submitted the second application.

Yeah,

Simone Collins: I did.

Malcolm Collins: This is so wild. If, if we both get in, it would be so wild. We might actually have to move the kids out there.

Simone Collins: I am pregnant, Malcolm,

Malcolm Collins: you need to be at your local doctors. I understand. Yeah. We'll find a way.

Simone Collins: We'll, we'll find, I mean, we can commute a a bit. We, we will make, we'll find, I'm committed to these projects, so we'll find ways to make it work. For sure.

Malcolm Collins: Yeah, I, I think we personally need to be there [00:30:00] part of the time if we're gonna build relations with the VC firm and continue to raise money.

Simone Collins: 100%. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: So we'll figure it out.

Simone Collins: I'm there. No, I'm, I'm super there for this. I'm, I'm all about it. I'm very excited about this.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway oh. By the way, if any of our listeners in NBC firms feel free to let us know that we can get warm intros on these projects. 'cause yeah, I think that like, the way that we view industries the same way we view ai, where other people are like, oh, it's so slop, it's so whatever.

It's like, well then improve it, make it better, make it, you know, like this has the potential to transform everything about being human. Like why are you poo-pooing this? It's, it's so. Like techno optimism is, I think the only path to true vitalism was in humanity. There, there are these, like reductive vitalism, like liver king, like get back to nature and everything like that.

But at the end of the day, you know, I think that the people, this is the interesting thing about the techno optimists. Very few of the techno optimists have turned out to be [00:31:00] fraudsters.

Common for fraudsters appear among the traditionalist optimist community, the ones who wanna go back to nature and stuff like that.

Simone Collins: Hmm.

Malcolm Collins: And I think that it's because these beliefs are less authentic. They're more about trying to sell to a specific audience or something like that.

They're not really driven by this constant need to move humanity forward. They're driven by this need to move themselves forwards in their own ideology forwards.

Simone Collins: Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's a lot of that going on, I think. Yeah.

Malcolm Collins: Anyway, any thoughts, Simone,

Simone Collins: that I love you and steak tonight. Yeah. Do you want steak with your fried rice reheated, or would you prefer to have steak with some other form of starch?

Malcolm Collins: Fried rice reheated will be great. Yeah, you did a pretty good job with that. And I think it'll taste good with the steak. And you are really good at cooking steak, by the way.

Simone Collins: Thank you. That's really nice of you to say.

Malcolm Collins: Oh, maybe, I think Gza dipping sauce would taste really good with steak. [00:32:00] Okay. I'll make a sauce.

I, is it hard to mix up or No, it, it

Simone Collins: turned out like, I know I gave you this huge, like, ugh when you asked me to make it from scratch, it, it wasn't that hard. So I

Malcolm Collins: can, I think it's just. Soy sauce and then without it's soy? No,

Simone Collins: it's, it's it's equal parts. Soy sauce, white wine vinegar, and sesame oil.

Plus you can and probably should add garlic, ginger, and red pepper flakes. Okay, so

Malcolm Collins: I'd make a change to it going forward. Soy sauce, sesame sauce. A splash of white wine vinegar.

Simone Collins: Okay, so half the amount, so like one teaspoon of each of those, then half a teaspoon of the white wine vinegar. 'cause you felt that that was too heavy.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. All right. Off I go. And I'm gonna speak with a, a journalist while I do it, so, don't, I love that

Malcolm Collins: you do that. Who are you speaking with tonight? My sweetheart? Can't remember. I don't care. Whatever. Do your thing. Love you.

Simone Collins: I love you too. Are you sure to tell

Malcolm Collins: her that you're a Nazi?

Simone Collins: I they know already.[00:33:00]

They know. Sadly the truth is out there, it's mine comp. What can I do off? I go this. Well,

Malcolm Collins: in private you always use words like, ah, it's amp. Or she's like, we need some lemon rum. Like, our kids don't give me enough lemon rum. I

Simone Collins: need to eat my dinner.

Malcolm Collins: They

Simone Collins: don't.

Malcolm Collins: You are gonna get us in so much trouble one

Simone Collins: day.

Never. I'm not, I'm not gonna get us in trouble. I'm not gonna get us in trouble. I'm fine. I'm not the risk taker. You were just on NPR

Malcolm Collins: today. You did a, a great job with that, I'm sure.

Simone Collins: We'll see. I bet it's gonna be on YouTube and it's just all gonna be comments. And I'm actually gonna check now if they like put it on and I, I can almost guarantee you like the top ranked comments are gonna be like, she's a, not she.

So W-H-Y-Y-N-P-R genetic.

The ethics of screening and designer [00:34:00] babies, but that was from one day ago. Yeah. So they, they, I don't think they've brought mine live yet. This is probably part of a series they're doing. So, so I, I, I one of the things to buy with this is mentioned by the way, on the interview, where I was like, wait, is this true?

He was like, well, you know, people might screen out for Al Albinism, or he was talking about that, and he was like, well, but like, it's, it's kind of interesting that like seven Nobel laureates have have albinism and I'm like, what? Is this true? That seems like bias. I'd be like, that seems like bias. Yeah.

They're, they're, they're so white that they have to be smart. Laureate, it's, it's like, like it seems super racist or something like list of, hold on. Okay.

Malcolm Collins: It's like models with that weird potential. I met with them.

Simone Collins: Yeah. V Yes. With, yeah. It's like that's the result of

Malcolm Collins: bias. That's not inclusivity.

Simone Collins: I know. But it looks really cool. I think that's, I think the reason why like people think it's woke, but no, it's because it's cool. And that's the, the unifying [00:35:00] thing of runway models isn't that they're beautiful.

It's that they look very distinctive. And what's more distinctive, hold on. If we

Malcolm Collins: made our kids all albinos, like that'd be so cool for the techno puritans. Like all white skin and red eyes. Like people out stay inside all the's. Many, like

Simone Collins: not having any melanin is such a risk with outdoor exposure. I mean, as much as wrong, well, no, but outdoor exposure is such a risk

Malcolm Collins: to productivity.

I love you, Sean, so much. I love your like eye roll there. That was intense.

Simone Collins: Is is it true though? I'm, I'm asking perplexity.

No, it says no. Nobel laureate is known to have albinism. So you just made it up. Sorry, I gotta

Malcolm Collins: delete

Simone Collins: that. Do people just lie on the internet? People just lie on npr. You just go on NPR and lies go on. Apparently. Yes. I mean, did I mishear him? Or Well, you'll hear, oh

perplexity is looking into it. Deep research. So [00:36:00] if it's out there, we'll find it. No, no. There's no evidence that people with albinism are disproportionately represented among major award winners. In fact, the available information suggests the opposite. People with albinism are underrepresented in most high profile fields in including entertainment, politics, science.

Octavian. What? Hey buddy. Hi. You're home awful early.

Malcolm Collins: You wanna have him talk to the fans really quick.

Simone Collins: You brought surprises. Do you want to talk to the, the.

Octavian Collins: What I've been doing so good. Stacey gave me this present. Stacey give me, Stacey gave me this present because I was so good. Oh,

Simone Collins: what else do you have in your box of mysteries?

Octavian Collins: Oh, what?

Simone Collins: What is it my friend? The work. Oh, [00:37:00] yes. What's. You want me to open it?

Octavian Collins: Yeah.

Simone Collins: What

Octavian Collins: she, Hey, check if this check, check if

Simone Collins: it's, it's the underwear your sister requested.

She, Hey. Hey, you. Can you

Malcolm Collins: ask him to tell people to like and I,

Simone Collins: Hey, Octa, can you tell the people to like, and subscribe,

Octavian Collins: like, and subscribe to our video if this is good.

Why,

Simone Collins: why should, why should they like and, and subscribe? 'cause

Octavian Collins: because my dad told me they can make money and they really wanna be rich. So subscribe first

Simone Collins: you. Well, you heard the boy. Yes.

Octavian Collins: So like, like si gives me special permission that I have this truck. So like tomorrow I can put my [00:38:00] army man, like my tan on me guys.

They can drive I to the green team, to the green team like this.

Bye. I'll see you all. I'll see you a little bit. I'm, and I see him like, learn about this good boy.

Simone Collins: And that's go burnout from Octavian. Have a

Malcolm Collins: good call with that journalist. Okay. Thanks. Do you want me to take Octavian and deal with him?

Simone Collins: Yeah, if you could so that I can start dinner and talk with her.

'cause otherwise she won't.

Oh.

Simone Collins: Such a good gardener. They're so pretty.

Malcolm Collins: Just can't stop watching that a and v on loop. It's so good. It's really good. It's, it's one of this little shark girl Gora, gora. I'll put it in the, the comments below if I remember. Or here. But it is really, it's like. You see [00:39:00] these, these young, rebellious girls, and I just like, so hope my daughter grows up to be like this.

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Malcolm Collins: And I know she will because I've already said like, it's, it's very clear there'll be, I've been reflecting on, I was talking to you about this is. How deep the desire in me is to have the type of young children who, you know, in my fantasies are, are, are first and foremost, like mischievous rule breakers.

And not like, and I know that other parents seem to want like obedient rule followers and I don't know you know, this is genetic. I don't know if this is cultural. Simone said, it's just 'cause I want somebody like myself. And, you know, that's like a, a way of, I guess, culturally passing on. It's

Simone Collins: not just that, [00:40:00] it's that there's, you have a, an extreme aversion discussed reaction to people who follow rules that you think aren't logical.

Yeah. So you, you don't wanna be disgusted by your children. So obviously you. Like it the other way.

Malcolm Collins: Do you fantasize about the kids being like rebellious and, and spunky and mischievous? No.

Simone Collins: Who cleans up their messes for the most part.

Malcolm Collins: What do you, what do you want them to be like when you think of successful?

I

Simone Collins: like to think about the businesses that they start, like I was telling you this morning, like. Tourist starting. Oh, and you,

Malcolm Collins: Titan and industry starting a business together and Yes. Yes. The two next ones the names that we're probably gonna go with, oh, you won't let me say them because you haven't bought the URLs or whatever.

I need

Simone Collins: to get the, I need to get their, like email addresses.

Malcolm Collins: They're good. Very, very frustrating.

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