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Russia has invaded ukrane. So we have the first major land war in europe in decades. It certainly deserves its own podcast at some point. In recent weeks, rob discovered a specific threat along these lines that seems fairly imminent. And he's tapped kevin espelt to walk him through the problem. Kevin is a harvard trained biologist who describes how crisper jean drives could be used to alter the traits of wild populations. As you'll hear, there's a call to action at the end of this episode. The call is to get the attention of usa. I d, which is currently running the programme of virus hunting that poses such a concern.

In this episode of the podcast, Rob Reid and Kevin Esvelt discuss USAID’s new “Deep VZN” program, which aims to discover new pandemic-grade viruses and publish their genomes to the world. Esvelt estimates that there are currently around 30,000 people who could then easily build them.

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