Unlocking the Secrets of Creativity and Wisdom with Dr. John Vervaeke, Kevin Bowers, and Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh
Dr. John Vervaeke
The Interplay of Identities and Bullshit Detection in the Creative Process
Exploring the artist and judge identities in the creative process, and how they can work together to detect and avoid bullshit.
Dr. John Vervaeke engages in a conversation with guests Kevin Bowers and Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh. The trio navigates the intricate interplay between creativity and wisdom, extending the discourse to themes like consilience, fittedness, and self-transcendence. Kevin Bowers passionately elucidates how creativity is not restricted to artistry but is a fundamental way of engaging with the world. Meanwhile, Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh takes the discussion further by delving into the role of 'through lining' and identity in creative processes. Vervaeke’s erudite commentary weaves these perspectives into a broader framework, arguing that creativity and wisdom are not just interconnected but are facets of a life well-lived. Don’t miss out on this scintillating conversation that transcends traditional understanding and invites you into a deeper contemplation of creativity and wisdom.
Resources:
John Vervaeke: Website | Patreon | Facebook | X | YouTube
Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh: LinkedIn
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Books
Of Art and Wisdom: Plato's Understanding of Techne - David Roochnik
A Whack on the Side of the Head: How You Can Be More Creative - Roger von Oech
Miscellaneous
UTOK Consilience Conference 2023
Timecodes
00:00:00 — Dr. John Vervaeke sets the stage for the ensuing discussion on creativity and wisdom.
00:01:24 — Kevin Bowers begins his introduction and shares how creativity has significantly shaped his career.
00:03:00 — Bowers dives into how Dr. Vervaeke's work has enhanced his understanding of creativity and wisdom.
00:07:52 — Dr. Vervaeke introduces the pivotal themes of consilience and fittedness in creativity.
00:10:13 — Kevin Bowers discusses the concept of fittedness in creativity, marking a transformative stance in life.
00:17:05 — Bowers introduces the idea of authenticity as it relates to creativity and identity.
00:18:41 — Dr. Vervaeke explores the risks and rewards of self-transcendence within the context of creativity.
00:26:43 — Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh expands on the fluid nature of the creative process.
00:30:22 — Dr. Vervaeke probes into Ethan's ideas on identity formation versus persona adoption.
00:33:40 — Vervaeke suggests that creativity can enhance our ability to evolve wisely.
00:39:15 — Vervaeke discusses the concept of faith and its intricate relationship with creativity.
00:42:20 — Dr. Vervaeke tackles the issue of people self-identifying as non-creative.
00:47:57 — Kevin Bowers dismisses the notion that creativity is exclusively for artists.
00:51:27 — Kevin advocates for a shift in perspective towards creativity as a part of nature.
00:56:27 — Kevin emphasizes that creativity is accessible and can be practiced by everyone.
01:01:03 — Dr. Vervaeke discusses the concepts of wisdom and self-deception.
01:08:00 — Dr. Vervaeke elaborates on the idea of creativity as fitting and appropriate novelty.
01:17:53 — Kevin Bowers talks about the distinct roles of the artist and the judge in the creative
process.
01:21:50 — Ethan Kobayashi-Hsieh offers a poetic conclusion on the power of observation.
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