Joe Biden and the MAGA Party

Chris Whipple: I think the one thing that surprised Joe Biden more than anything else during his presidency was the lasting power of Trumpism. He thought it would be in the rearview mirror long before now, he said. And it shocked him still does, that it's as powerful as it is., says Whipple. "I think they're planning to run against Trump because you have to, you can't rule it out," adds Whipple.