A conversation with my friends Scott Warr and Don Freeman, hosts of the Trail Runner Nation podcast. TRN is trail running's #1 podcast in the world, with more than 600 episodes recorded.

We break down the barriers for road runners to get into trail running and advice on how to improve as a trail runner and ultra runner.

Watch the full YouTube interview at: https://youtu.be/2k9O2DF5c4Y 

CHAPTERS 

• 00:00 Intros
• 3:56 Welcome Scott and Don! About Trail Runner Nation.
• 8:22 Starting out running, transition to trail
• 14:42 Early lessons in trail running
• 21:39 Why people run mostly road vs trails
• 23:12 Community
• 29:02 Kids ‘n’ trails, “one is greater than none”
• 30:11 Running gear & safety considerations
• 34:18 Things you can’t run without…
• 39:32 Running identity
• 45:17 Small habits, motivation
• 47:07 Common lessons from podcast guests
• 52:40 Recommendations to get into trail running
• 58:40 Don’s 200-mile races
• 1:06:35 Crewing for trail / ultra races
• 1:08:48 Where to find Don and Scott
• 1:09:30 Closing thoughts

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Scott Warr and Don Freeman are experienced non-elite trail runners, located in Northern California. Trail Runner Nation is one of trail running’s oldest and most downloaded podcasts. I love the TRN podcast and have been listening to them for 10+ years. This is how I initially discovered Dr Phil Maffetone, Dr Mark Cucuzzella and several others. 

This conversation was a blast to record because Scott and Don have stories for days from their trail and ultra adventures. 

FIND OUT MORE ABOUT DON, SCOTT AND TRAIL RUNNER NATION:

• Website - https://trailrunnernation.com/
• Twitter - https://twitter.com/WeAreNation
• Instagram - https://www.instagram.com/trailrunnernation/ 
• Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/TrailRunnerNation/
• All TRN episodes - https://trailrunnernation.com/category/podcasts/ 

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LINKS AND TOOLS MENTIONED:

• Trail Runner Nation https://trailrunnernation.com/
• Born to Run (book) by Christopher McDougall https://amzn.to/3ZTHWdF
• Extramilest Show #59 - Coach Jimmy Dean  http://bit.ly/42cuVxn
• Atomic Habits (book) by James Clear https://amzn.to/3ZOeUw2
• Vibram 5 Fingers https://amzn.to/3FtpAYL
• Tahoe 200 http://bit.ly/3LqjgFo
• Bigfoot 200 http://bit.ly/3Tj1W74
• Cocadona 250 https://cocodona.com/

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ABOUT THE EXTRAMILEST SHOW: A podcast and YouTube channel where host Floris Gierman interviews world class athletes, coaches and health experts on the topic of how to become a stronger, healthier and happier athlete. More info about our running coaching program can be found at https://www.pbprogram.com.

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