What Do You Do When Things Fall Apart?

i'm interested in the way you think about civilizations falling or collapsing. And one of the things i find really interesting is that it's not based on rigorous historical analysis. You're kind of coming at from a very rigorous historical standpoint in this book,  a lot of the stuff that we talk about on on this show in a more contemporary sense. It became obvious to me overtime that people were taking these courses not just to learn how to deal with being lost out in the wilderness, which is sort of was my vision.