Material World by Ed Conway

I've been very aware of general public perceptions of electric vehicles and the challenges they pose, which are many. I'm right in saying that quite a lot of the anxiety or doubt or confusion about batteries is completely legitimate, but generally five years too late. And so cobalt being a really good, oh, they need masses of cobalt. Well, now they need less and less and less until they need none. The world we live in, the stuff, every single thing around us has either grown or been dug up. In its, in its origin. It is amazing. We can do it again.

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