Mark Hell insurance based out of Richmond Virginia Tom Gaynor a fantastic investor and the shells are available for anyone to buy. The annual meeting is in Omaha it's a wonderful gathering of people I mean you just cannot do they overlap with Warren's meeting or no so what they did was they decided that the Berkshire way weekend was just to go an opportunity to pass up So they started doing the Mark Hell branch on the Sunday mornings the function meeting at first only shareholders showed up but then kind of it just became part of the circuit.