Speaker 2
Yeah, I mean, hopefully we'll be really pleased with what we've done in our annual book because a lot of this stuff we're talking about. Congratulations. Thanks. But it's what a lot of therapists don't necessarily have a good grasp on. But it's things like, and Matt and I sort of discovered it ourselves as we went in and really sort of got into the details of these elements, but things like allostatic loads. So, you know, we take a period of time to talk about that. Emotions, you know, certainly, you know, I've often asked the question at various conferences and group discussions, you know, okay, what is an emotion? And there's a lot of stumbling and bumbling around in the answer. So that is addressed. And it's terribly important, this idea of empathy. I mean, there's some wonderful stuff that we've found coming out of Galisi from the mirroring the mirror neurons, one of the mirror neurons guys talking about, you know, this and the way we engage. And the differences between this temperament attachment and then the personality, these emergent properties that come out. And we keep dealing with these, with emergent properties, which aren't necessarily telling us a clear story about what elements within the system are having the difficulty in. And this is really what packed the whole process and the different mechanisms you use, I think brings out so well, that enables you to sort of somehow pull apart the, what's happening on the surface, the arguments or the whatever it is and go, oh, just a minute, we're looking in here. And then this all ties in with your then gauging, we have to look at the developmental trajectory as which you've just so beautifully
Speaker 1
described. So much of what we, what we do is investigation. What I tell my students over and over again, we're investigators. The main issue is what is it that we're looking at, not what to do about it, because we can't know what to do unless we really get granular. And so, so I think the job for a therapist is to be a really good investigator and to leave no stone, you know, uncovered because people are complex. And even though we have our theories, the theories never, never really refer to a real person, they refer to, refer to aggregates of people. And so the study of the people that are in front of us, and one of the tools we use is digital video to study, you know, use frame analysis to study faces and movements and voices frame by frame forwards backwards.